Response to Bogus Definition

You have a pretty funny way of getting attention. Further, you are not practicing what you preach if you are really "In Search of Peaceful Coexistence of Car People."<P>I agree with you that we are all in the same boat when it comes to scrappage laws. Obviously, California leads the way when it comes to the "lunatic fringe" of repressive legislation. I take it you're from California.<P>You say: "I BELIEVE THERE IS ROOM FOR THE 60s and 70s CARS THAT I ENJOY TO CO-EXIST WITH YOURS SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT TRY TO FORCE YOUR DEFINITION INTO THE VEHICLE CODE AND SCRAPPAGE LAWS. IF I SEE IT APPEAR IN ANY BILLS RELATING TO A COLLECTOR DEFINITION (RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS IN VC5051) I WILL MAKE IT MY MISSION IN LIFE TO LET THE CAR COMMUNITY (60S AND 70S VEHICLES) KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM."<P>I think you are very mis-informed. At least as long as I have been on the Board of Directors (a little over 3 years), CCCA has had absolutely nothing to do with any legislation involving scrappage of ANY cars in any state. I'm quite sure the Club had no prior involvement as well. It appears like you are barking up the wrong tree. Threatening will get you nowhere. For your fight to be successful, you need to make friends, not enemies.<P>Before you blame CCCA for something that it was not involved in, I suggest you ask the authors of the California bill about what possessed them to single out the years 1925 to 1948. Maybe they can shed some light on the problem. Perhaps they don't understand that a collectable car can be very desirable and worth saving, even if it isn't one recognized by CCCA.<P>As car collectors, we should all be concerned about this kind of repressive legislation. As California goes, often so goes the nation. <P>I'm a little puzzled though. I'd help defend your right to collect whatever car you want. I don't understand why you say you "wouldn't lift a finger" to save mine.<P>Perhaps you are part of the problem, not the solution.<p>[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: Chuck Conrad ]

Len,<P>Somewhere in your previous rambling post, you made the statement that everything on the CCCA Web Site has a price on it.<P>I'd be curious to know what you are looking at? The Classified ads do have prices. I can't think of a reason why they shouldn't. The membership application has a price too. Wouldn't you want to know how much it costs to join if you were so inclined (obviously, you aren't)? We also sell a book by noted auto authority and historian, Beverly Rae Kimes. It's called the "Classic Era." You might enjoy a copy, but before you give us your credit card number, you might want to find out how much it costs.<P>Other than those items, there is no mention of price ANYWHERE on the site. As the Club's Web Master, I ought to know, I typed every word.<P>Obviously, you haven't looked very closely at our web site before you reached your incorrect conclusion. I think you would be enlightened to read one of our pages called "The Classic Dividend." You can find it at <A HREF="http://www.classiccarclub.org/worth.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.classiccarclub.org/worth.htm</A> <BR>or click on the menu where it says "What's a Classic Car Worth." What it's worth is one of the top ten questions we receive from the general public. I'll bet you get the same question asked about your Mustang. <P>If you take a few minutes to read the story, I think you'll find a surprise answer.<p>[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: Chuck Conrad ]

Len, I began my first response with the statement that I am sad and frustrated at reactions like yours. That still stands. I realize that you will probably not take into account much of what is said here, but here goes anyway.<BR>You made some good points when you got around to the "real" reason for writing. Sadly, your method of attracting attention to your cause (a worthy one) cheapened your efforts. Think back to your high school history and one of the quotes and slogans from our Revolution: "We must all hang together or we shall all hang separately."<BR>This is still important today when we, Old Car hobbyists, are up against an inflexible bureaucracy. It is imperative that we remain flexible in our views. <BR>Any Club can and should establish and maintain parameters. I own Corvettes and enjoy them, but it would be ridiculous for me to take my Bentley to Bloomington Illinois expecting to be exhibited and judged alonside Corvettes. The same would hold if I wanted to show a '38 Cadillac at a Mustang Club event. To expect to be all things to all people is unrealistic. Thank goodness there is variety within the Collector Car hobby. I just counted, and I find I hold memberships in 18 different Car Clubs and Automobile related organizations. I enjoy them all. I can only hope that one day you will come to appreciate some of the vastly differing types of automobiles too.<BR>Jon Lee

Len, I was just cruising the Classic Car message board and saw your posts. <P>I am impressed by your energy, too bad you waste it here where most people will simply laugh at you. If you do not accept the Classic Car label, fine. Use your energy and fight your fight, don't whip people up because you do not like a label.<P>I must leave with one parting thought about your "classic" Mustang. It seems to me that an early road test in one of the contemporary magazines at the time, a tester cut his hand on a sharp edge on the trunk lid or the body inside the trunk. Certainly, you would never do this on the body of a Classic Car.<P>'Nuff said.<BR> <p>[ 07-31-2001: Message edited by: wildcat465 ]

Hmmm just one idiot in my ten years of being in the old car hobby(compared to a lot of very fine people iv met because of old cars).... not bad.<P>regards <BR>Awini Ambuj Shanker (28years)<BR>New Delhi<BR>INDIA<BR>1927 Austin 12/4 two seater & dickey<BR>1930 Studebaker Commander GJ tourer<BR>1939 Lagonda V12 rapide coupe<BR>1946 MG TC Midget roadster<BR>1966 Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia coupe

Awini,<BR>After visiting Bombay and Bangalore recently, I have a question for you.<BR>Where in the world do you find room to drive your cars ? It was packed wall to wall with people and I could hardly get a scooter through much less a full sized auto.

Len...what on EARTH is your point?<P>You like old cars...why don't you join the Mustang Club, for goodness sake? There are lots of them around. Why are you dissing the Classic Car Club of America?<P>Give it a break, please. Give US a break here

to amazed<BR>I have never been to Bangalore,but bombay i agree is chaos,but you would be surprised at the number of classics in bombay.<BR>i am in delhi where roads are much wider and in some areas at times i have managed speeds of upto 100 mph... illegally of course.